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Message # 1019903:
Date: 04/24/04 03:10
By: Benjamin Smith
Subject: Templates live where you dare not tread

Hobbit, Roy Robin -

If you really think that what you propose works, then you aren't making web applications - you are making toys.

PHP is itself a sort of dynamic template script, originally designed for very small scripts - the name PHP originally meant "Personal Home Page".

If you are making real applications - those greater than 50,000 lines, for instance - the advantages of some kind of template technology become obvious.

Sorry. You just aren't going to manage a project that size without some heavy abstraction.

And, if you think that templates always reduce performance, think again. Sourceforge has a project http://sourceforge.net/projects/php-templates/ with a template engine written in C.

My own testing shows this to outform echo statements in generating a complex, very large table, such as what you'd see after a databae query. (About 10% improvement over echo statements, over 100x faster than PHPLib)

How serious are you?

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Templates live where you dare not treadBenjamin Smith04/24/04 03:10
agreed:RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!Roy Robin12/19/03 13:52
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!Hobbit06/08/03 16:19
TemplateTamerDavorin Rusevljan01/05/03 10:17
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!L long12/17/02 16:32
Introducing {PHPTMPL}Geraud Krawezik11/18/02 07:59
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!Sonic_Molson11/15/02 22:04
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!Patrick Fitzgerald11/03/02 12:57
Wow... Needs lots of improvementeruanno10/22/02 09:52
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!Michael Sinclair10/14/02 15:07
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!Harry Fuecks10/09/02 06:05
This is what I would doJoe10/07/02 02:33
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!Michael Sinclair10/06/02 08:31
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!haj10/02/02 02:44
RE: Whats wrong with FastTemplate or phplibhaj10/02/02 02:36
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!M. Thornton09/30/02 14:55
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!Harry Fuecks09/29/02 08:13
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!bigSys09/28/02 11:48
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!c-dawg09/27/02 19:35
PHP replication of Zope and JSP for templatigMichael Glazer09/27/02 17:49
RE: Don't be too criticalBDKR09/27/02 11:06
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!Adalberto09/27/02 10:54
RE: NEED HELP URGENTLY, PLEASEadd php project09/25/02 05:49
NEED HELP URGENTLY, PLEASEEddieson09/24/02 12:00
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!dotwebbie09/23/02 11:40
The best template engine is SmartyOskars09/21/02 16:32
patTemplateMitchell Landry09/21/02 02:14
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!Harry Fuecks09/20/02 06:45
RE: Whats wrong with FastTemplate or phplibZpiff09/20/02 04:32
RE: Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!Yuriy Horobey09/19/02 02:31
Templates are DEAD! Long live PHP!Harry Fuecks09/18/02 12:21
RE: Whats wrong with FastTemplate or phplibanimosity09/18/02 12:19
Don't be too criticalJason09/18/02 09:21
RE: why notTom Anderson09/16/02 12:06
Uhm... ya.. ok...Vincent09/15/02 08:38
one more thingAivar Annamaa09/15/02 04:34
ComplexTemplateAivar Annamaa09/15/02 03:55
RE: why notClaudio Bustos09/14/02 16:26
RE: why notkybosh09/13/02 19:54
why notPhynias09/13/02 11:22
Whats wrong with FastTemplate or phplibZpiff09/11/02 08:24
why not simply use patTemplate or alike?NightOwl09/11/02 02:41
just use vlibTemplateKelvin Jones09/10/02 04:31
Ignore this article: save brain cells.Tom Anderson09/09/02 15:23
 

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