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Message # 1017302:
Date: 09/04/03 18:36
By: Kyle Simpson
Subject: templating for php BY php???

I personally think that the process used by many of these templating engines is flawed in concept. You are basically saying, have PHP operate on other PHP, and create temporary PHP documents, and feed those back to the parser. This means that PHP makes it's 4-pass parsing of the original PHP document, and then has to make another 4-pass parsing on the temporary document. Yes, this is worst-case scenario, but it illustrates what I mean... you are doubling the work of the PHP ZEND engine.

I think the best way to implement templating, WHICH I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH, would be for some group to start an open souce project to write a mod to the PHP-apache module (or whatever other flavors there are) that allowed for a 5th "templating" pass to be performed by the ZEND ENGINE, before the traditional 4-pass parsing is done.

The syntaxes and methods of all the available templating engines aside, any templating engine that uses PHP to work on PHP is going to make more work for the parser than is necessary. Such efforts I think are futile and will not scale well, simply on theory alone.

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RE: I need help making a gameG-Kill@12/05/04 12:27
PHP ThreadHemangini11/21/04 01:47
PHP ThreadHemangini11/21/04 01:47
templating for php BY php???Kyle Simpson09/04/03 18:36
ideas for email scriptsmitty03/01/03 12:07
RE: How do I syndicate their news?Capucera Kamar01/26/03 11:03
RE: Outdated..Pemga01/09/03 08:54
RE: This is convolutedlcoughlin01/06/03 11:59
RE: This is convolutedMladen10/14/02 05:06
RE: Template-like featureednark10/11/02 00:37
RE: Not very smart, not!Andrew10/05/02 22:44
TemplatesHuyiono09/26/02 19:31
RE: Template-like featureNepto09/18/02 07:09
Help MeYuri09/16/02 22:28
RE: This is convolutedmike09/09/02 09:14
Template-like featureRichard H09/08/02 21:14
php online bookgunuz08/12/02 08:35
RE: Perl still looks better after reviewing this.Matthew08/11/02 03:49
RE: Doesn't workbatman08/06/02 08:56
ThanxRobert08/05/02 17:05
RE: Perl still looks better after reviewing this.Jason08/03/02 16:49
RE: Quotes in FastTemplateRenato Neves08/02/02 15:10
Quotes in FastTemplateRenato Neves07/29/02 15:24
RE: Not very smartJason07/23/02 09:56
a php code S3c|Or07/22/02 17:31
RE: Not very smartjimson07/19/02 03:10
RE: Fast TemplatesRory07/18/02 23:53
RE: why PHPRory07/18/02 23:50
columns or?Robert07/14/02 01:03
RE: Not very smartloconet07/10/02 16:51
php includes and gzip compression??ian07/08/02 00:02
RE: Perl still looks better after reviewing this.jfp07/07/02 10:46
Templates done for speedBen Smith07/03/02 13:01
RE: HTML variables via PHP to AccessToyvo Yanski06/30/02 16:33
Re:templatessky06/27/02 23:37
Perl still looks better after reviewing this.Webmeister06/27/02 16:36
RE: Not very smartBrian06/25/02 13:25
long live vlibTemplate ...Kelvin Jones06/25/02 11:19
RE: HTML variables via PHP to AccessGary L06/25/02 11:11
RE: help me ASAPadhi06/24/02 04:07
RE: HTML variables via PHP to AccessAllison Smith06/23/02 14:40
Good idea!Vingerhoed Johan06/22/02 17:51
Wee Lep: Great Job!!Ben06/20/02 17:52
RE: HTML variables via PHP to AccessBen06/20/02 17:49
RE: help me ASAPBen06/20/02 17:43
help me ASAPdiah06/19/02 12:06
HTML variables via PHP to AccessHeidi Grange06/18/02 06:58
let gets some perspective when posting replyschris06/18/02 06:43
RE: This is convolutedSteve06/14/02 16:10
RE:This is convoluted (Lets see this article)The_WolfII06/13/02 20:39
RE: Outdated..The_WolfII06/13/02 20:38
RE: Do you do scripts for free?Ashish06/10/02 05:00
RE:This is convoluted (Lets see this article)bill06/07/02 14:10
RE: What is the code for...Bill Berggren06/03/02 03:34
RE: why PHPARS05/31/02 20:42
RE: why PHPTim05/31/02 17:47
What is the code for...Constance05/30/02 19:07
RE: why PHPkaizer - dot05/27/02 13:22
HTML call PHPPhoebus05/26/02 15:46
using regular expression will be of gr8 helpHassan05/21/02 02:25
RE: why PHPJason Marquand05/17/02 01:06
How about using brackets instead?Jon Wood05/16/02 13:12
Difference with FastTemplate?Snowman05/16/02 07:49
RE: This is convolutedJames Elkins05/15/02 17:14
Designers inserting comments for programmersJames Elkins05/15/02 17:07
RE: This is convolutedDigger Dirt Guy05/14/02 11:43
LDAP in PHP codeNguyen Minh Tuyen05/14/02 03:26
And what about ETS?fmarcia05/13/02 18:08
What do you think about ModeliXe ?weber05/13/02 08:22
forms and databaseslane05/09/02 00:10
Wow! This is complicated!Matt05/08/02 15:49
RE: This is convolutedErik Stephens05/05/02 01:33
Template benchmarksChristopher Brown-Floyd05/02/02 01:17
RE: why PHPMatt04/30/02 16:35
RE: Need helpriot makaveli04/30/02 05:11
How do I syndicate their news?Add backend.php04/29/02 14:09
help!!!Marcus04/28/02 12:20
Doesn't workStefan Horomnea04/27/02 18:39
RE: why PHPJhakas Pundit04/26/02 17:58
help me to learn HTML anosh04/26/02 14:46
RE: phplib templatesVictor04/26/02 08:25
Would this be considered a template system?Chauncey Thorn04/25/02 23:23
I need help making a gameRob04/24/02 14:31
phplib templatesUdi landau04/23/02 10:55
RE: HTML TAGES.bart04/23/02 10:09
Template using associative arraysAllen04/21/02 23:28
HTML TAGES.muhammad bilal quzafi04/18/02 10:30
so what is it Templates or XML?Bill04/17/02 15:21
RE: Do you do scripts for free?Jason04/16/02 09:28
This is convolutedJohnathan Leppert04/16/02 03:15
Need helpristo04/15/02 18:43
What should go where?risto04/15/02 18:29
RE: why PHPRod K04/14/02 10:23
Do you do scripts for free?Katrina04/13/02 13:41
RE: how to get specified data from .dat file Denny04/12/02 15:48
RE: why PHPDenny04/12/02 15:14
RE: why PHPMatt04/11/02 15:54
Left me more confused than when I startedMark04/11/02 14:31
how to get specified data from .dat file Krishna Tamrakar04/11/02 08:12
My own little template programDavid Fischer04/10/02 13:45
RE: why PHPRod K04/10/02 00:46
My Tutorial -> SMARTY + PHPLIBS OOHFORMAzril Nazli b Alias04/09/02 22:46
RE: why PHPChris04/09/02 18:19
Re: A REAL new working relationshipMatt04/09/02 16:26
A REAL new working relationshipMatt04/09/02 16:20
Funny, same thoughtChris04/09/02 08:24
RE: How about using IntegratedTemplate?Aloner04/07/02 15:02
RE: The best template-engine!Aloner04/07/02 14:58
other language solutionTim Parkin04/07/02 11:55
The best 'real world' templating engineTim Parkin04/07/02 11:53
RE: What's wrong with XML?Junkie Doodle04/06/02 20:42
RE: What's wrong with XML?Captain Proton04/06/02 05:11
why PHPprashanth04/06/02 04:12
RE: Not very smartvincent04/06/02 04:02
RE: What's wrong with XML?vincent04/06/02 03:41
What's wrong with XML?Bruno04/05/02 10:36
The best template-engine!Linuxgod200004/05/02 10:26
Fast TemplatesRodney O04/05/02 08:39
RE: How about: MAKE YOUR DESIGNERS LEARN XSLDude04/05/02 07:43
RE: How about: MAKE YOUR DESIGNERS LEARN XSLPaolo Dina04/05/02 01:56
Creating DataBase and spreadsheets.Monica Lamani04/04/02 23:25
How about using IntegratedTemplate?sheep04/04/02 21:13
RE: How about: MAKE YOUR DESIGNERS LEARN XSLkybosh04/04/02 15:41
How about: MAKE YOUR DESIGNERS LEARN XSLMaximo Migliari04/04/02 12:33
Not very smartdotvoid04/04/02 08:22
RE: Outdated..Bob Moore04/04/02 06:45
RE: Outdated..vulgate04/04/02 04:00
Outdated..Captain Proton04/03/02 14:18
 

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